[BBLISA] nnrp clarification on limitations
Sean Lutner
sean at rentul.net
Tue Feb 15 23:25:17 EST 2005
On Feb 15, 2005, at 6:29 PM, Dean Anderson wrote:
> Yes, we just take shots at people. That's why I'm so well known for
> taking shots a people, rather than having been "shot at" by a slew of
> bad
> characters including court-proven liars.
In this thread, I felt that you were taking shots at me, and I fired
back. In a previous thread I was trying to be helpful and you
interrupted the thread with your personal views about how evil the
people behind a link I posted were. I have never taken shots at you
without provocation, and in most cases I feel I am well within reason
to say that I'm merely defending myself.
>
> But first, I suppose it should be pointed out that no one has "taken a
> shot at you". If you think that, then you are mistaken and simply don't
> know what a "shot" is.
If you truly did not intend your comments as an affront against me then
I apologize for taking them as such.
>
> Below is yet another belated pretense of disinterest. If we took
> Lutner's
> 'illegal' crack as a joke, it still appears in the original message
> that
> Lutner thought it unreasonable to download more than 2G, despite his
> own
> assertions of easynews' 10G limit. I just pointed out the illogic of
> that.
I didn't think it is unreasonable to download more than 2GB or more
than 10GB. No where did I say otherwise. Scott's original question was
asking for hints towards NNTP services without download caps, he
mentioned the giganews service provided by Comcast as his point of
reference. I used the easynews limit of 10GB as an example of a limit
which was larger than his point of reference. That is all. If you took
it any differently that is not my problem, nor can I do anything to
remedy the situation. The illegal crack was just that, a crack. In this
age of fairly rampant piracy all over the internet, and posted to a
list full of technically inclined people, I thought the crack would go
over as such. I will make a point to not post jokes any more.
>
> But now Lutner says he doesn't care either way. Gee, I didn't get that
> from his first message.
My first message was intended only to offer what I hoped was help for
Scott, and to poke fun at something I thought would be funny. Yet again
I apologize for my apparent failure at humor.
>
> No one is "taking a shot" at Lutner. I'm just pointing out those claims
> that don't pass reasonable scrutiny. And in fact, they don't.
>
> And I previously pointed out his association with court-proven liars
> (Alan
> Brown, ORBS associated with Vixie and Matthew Sullivan of SORBS) This
> crew associates with people who believe in "The Truth Through Lies"
> (Nick
> Nicholas, former Executive Director of MAPS).
I have absolutely no association personal or professional with Alan
Brown, Paul Vixie, Matthew Sullivan or Nick Nicholas. I offered a link
I found through google to this list a while back, and that erupted into
a thread similar to this. In that case, I was also just trying to be
helpful to the fellow readers of this list, and did not present it any
differently. I truly hope you are not inferring, or calling me by
association, a liar. A number of the members of this list know me
personally, and I am confident that they would confirm that I am a
person of integrity and honesty. If you are making such inference or
associations, you can only hope that I never find out about it.
> They lie and are unashamed
> of their lies. I speak the truth. There is a difference, and people
> should know about that. Their complaints are that I point out the
> truth
> and dispute their lies or just wrong information. Too bad. They
> shouldn't
> lie, and they shouldn't pass out wrong information.
>
>
> --Dean
>
> On Sun, 13 Feb 2005, Sean Lutner wrote:
>
>> Actually all I was trying to convey was that easynews has a 10GB per
>> month cap. However, in reality it is a 10GB per billing cycle cap. If
>> you download all 10G in a week, they will simply bill you again, and
>> you can start downloading. So in theory, in a 30 day month, you could
>> download 300G.
>>
>> I don't think either limit is reasonable or unreasonable. When I made
>> the illegal crack it was meant as a joke, I guess the ":)" went right
>> over everyone's head and brought out my detractors to take shots at
>> me.
>> Just to have it on the record, I could care less what your downloading
>> with an NNTP account or any account in general, but NNTP has remained
>> a
>> place the "tech savvy" could obtain lots of illegal binary files with
>> a
>> reasonable assumption of trouble not finding them.
>>
>> Cheers.
>>
>>
>> On Feb 13, 2005, at 5:37 AM, Dean Anderson wrote:
>>
>>> They aren't illegal. Sean indicated the nonsense of his answer when
>>> he
>>> noted that easynews just moved to 10G/mo. Obviously, there are
>>> others
>>> that see 10G as reasonable, and 2G as unreasonable. Funny that
>>> people
>>> can't see their own illogic.
>>>
>>> A cap like that just means that anyone downloading up to the 10G (or
>>> whatever) doesn't need to make special arrangements. The cap is set
>>> high
>>> enough so that they can satisfy users, still make money on average,
>>> and
>>> not have too many special arrangments. Special arrangments cost
>>> money,
>>> too, Sometimes its just better to raise the limit than try to
>>> administer
>>> more special cases.
>>>
>>> --Dean
>>>
>>> On Sat, 12 Feb 2005, Scott Ehrlich wrote:
>>>
>>>>> I've not heard or seen any NNTP services that have no downloaded
>>>>> bytes
>>>>> cap. It would be used/abused that it would be cost effective for
>>>>> whomever was providing it. I've used easynews
>>>>> (http://www.easynews.com)
>>>>> for a couple years, and they just moved to a 10G/month quota.
>>>>>
>>>>> Comcast's cap is 2GB/month, what could you possibly be downloading
>>>>> that
>>>>> you need more? It wouldn't be anything illegal would it? :)
>>>>>
>>>>> Sean
>>>>
>>>> Nothing illegal to my knowledge. There are avi files from an
>>>> overseas tv
>>>> show posted to a newsgroup that gives me a chance to watch said
>>>> shows.
>>>>
>>>> I could certainly do more research and see if such postings are
>>>> considered
>>>> illegal, in which case I would end my nnrp search.
>>>>
>>>> Scott
>>>>
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>> "Imagination is more important than knowledge." -- Albert Einstein
>>
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